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MSNBC
Sep 29, 2012 6:00am EDT
side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is that they still have to persuade people that governor romney is the guy they should vote for. at the national level, that means they need to fix whatever has gone so wrong with their campaign message and they need to stop doing whatever it is that has turned so many people off to their candidate. when you ask voters whether they like this mitt romney guy, the answer is a very, very plain answer. no. his favorable ratings are in the low 40s. almost 10 points lower than the ratings for president obama. lower, even, than the famously unpopular former president george w. bush right now. swing state voters say they do not think that mitt romney cares about the needs and problems of people like them. some of mr. romney's numbers are just shockingly bad. i mean double check. shockingly bad. look at the percentage of swing state voters who say mitt romney's policies will favor the middle class. in florida it's 8%. in ohio it's 9%. in pennsylvania it's 9%. whatever the romney campaign has done to get themselves to
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 12:00pm EDT
at the camera, deliver to people in the living room. president obama's looking off. mitt romney did it the right way. >> right way. >> he looked at the camera, looks you in the eye, tells you what he thinks. >> he wasn't being nice. >> no. >> the thing that is obama -- i hate to say, the politics of niceness, you're admitting your opponent has legitimate points. . it's not great in an american society where stylistic connection means you're willing to defend your point with a pointed passion but also to argue with the other guy. mitt romney was there saying i'm give nothing quarter. he admitted obama did something halfway right the rest of the time he was condescending. i have five sons, you might as well be the sixth, i'm going to tell you what you're doing wrong. there was no opposition, quite disturbing. >> governor romney seized moment to speak to independent swing voters in the swing states time after time. you can tell it was practiced, prepared, i know what this debate's. this will be the decisive part of the electorate. each time he spoke to that, those who can still be swayed, as my fri
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 10:00pm EDT
a decision about whether they were going to attack mitt romney as someone you can't trust or as a hard right ideal log, someone who is bound up with the republican party. and they chose the latter. going at him as an out of touch guy and he aided them as doubling down on everybody. reinforced that. now, he's shaking the etch a sketch and decided screw it, i'm going to go for whatever it is. and they have to pick a new way of attacking him. they picked it today. let's listen to more about what president obama said about him today >> who ever it was on stage last night doesn't want to be held accountable for the last year. we don't want what he has been selling over the last year. he may dance around his positions and may do a tap dance and a two step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. [ applause ] >> alex wagner please, help me get the image of mitt romney dancing out of my mind. >> i will say this. there has been a flush of him since the debate. but i don't know how excited the conservative base is going to be in the long run as we unpack the positi
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 6:00pm EDT
that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you
MSNBC
Sep 29, 2012 8:00am EDT
of cliche in right wing circles and ones in which romney offered inside the safety and conservative bubble and it was leaked out. in the song, 10 crack commandments biggie smalls offered a set of rules for drug dealers who want to avoid perils. >> never get high on your own supply. >> same with political strategists. don't start believing that everyone out there in the voting booth is seeing the world the way you do. the gop has i think lost sight of this simple wisdom. they are now smoking what they're dealing. it's a big part of why those poll numbers look the way they do and a good reminder of the dysfunction and incompetence that happen when people in charge only listen to themselves. i'm going to talk to my panel about the consequences of living inside the conservative bubble when we get back. maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ...nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. sven's home
MSNBC
Oct 3, 2012 6:00am EDT
romney can give all of these voters an excuse to vote for him, right? >> yeah, we talked about this yesterday on the show. if he can go in -- that's why i worry about all this talk about zingers, just stylistically. don't be someone you're not. don't come in with canned jokes. be who you are, which is the line he delivered, i thought, well in his convention speech where he said, i can't heal the earth. i'm not going to part the seas, whatever he said. i just want to help you and your family. i'm not fancy, i'm not exciting. i want this job because i can do a better job healing the economy, not the earth, healing the economy than he has done for the last 3 1/2 years. if he can do that, be confident, don't try to be slick or funny, it's not who you are, just be mitt romney, he'll have a good night. >> i think he'll have a good night. i'll tell you this also, mark mckinnon. we're going to hear about the 47% from barack obama tonight. he'll bring that up. i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 2:00pm EDT
for mitt romney, and it's generally not helpful for the level of intellect on our national discourse right now. >> you know, anne, i've been talking to people on both sides of this thing. let's clear it up right now. because this whole conspiracy, in my experience, in the past 24 hours, has been met with a collective eye roll from people who are democrats and republicans. is there any way the obama administration could actually have cooked up these numbers? >> uh, in a short answer, i would say no. i think the last president who was accused of, and where there was evidence that he tried to mess with the bureau of labor statistics was richard nixon. since then, it is a bureau full of professionals and i think that jonathan is exactly right. we would know if there was some funny business going on there. not to mention that if they were going to cook the books, wouldn't they have done it months ago when it would have more of an impact, and wouldn't they have said the unemployment rate is, i don't know, 4%. it seems extremely far fetched. i would be shocked if we eventually discovered they had
MSNBC
Sep 30, 2012 3:00pm EDT
five list of foreclosures in this country right now. i want to play something that governor romney said about foreclosures, and i want to get your reaction on the other side of the break and we'll talk about how this might be playing in nevada. take a listen. >> don't try and stop the foreclosure process. let it run its course and hit the bottom. >> ed, how much of a problem is that for governor romney in nevada? or have folks forgotten about it? >> no, i think those are the types of comments that when taken out of context or when people don't have the full context, people say, wait a minute. this is state that house suffered unlike any other. it adds to that narrative that democrats have enjoyed building this year, that this is a man who doesn't understand. in that kind of state, you have to somehow empathize with people suffering there and not necessarily suggest it could get worse. it's similar to how his comments on, you know, the bankruptcy of general motors have been used in ohio and in michigan against him and how, you know, other comments have certainly -- you know w that 47% co
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 6:00am EDT
'm going to ignore him. what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor
MSNBC
Oct 3, 2012 1:00pm EDT
polls among voters is the 47%. you saw bill clinton was going after mitt romney on that. >> right. >> how does he tonight get around the impression that he was simply writing off half of america? >> yeah. well, i think what's going to happen tonight is they're going to have the voters are going to have sustained direct exposure to both candidates and they're going to see the choice in front of them. and i think this statement here or the vice president's statement here or the rest of it, have moved votes softly in the middle a little bit but tonight they're going to have a direct exposure and see the choice they have, between how we've been going and the opportunity we have to get this economy moving and get the budget under control. i think that's -- personally i think it's going to overwhelm a lot of previous impressions. >> mitt romney has been getting so much advice, solicited and unsolicited, be warm, be empathetic, have zingers, go after him, be tough, rush limbaugh says be tougher more aggressive, other people say don't do that, more likable. is this going to be the warm an
MSNBC
Oct 1, 2012 10:00am EDT
. in many ways that's happening because of early voting all right. so romney needs to change the trajectory in some way. now, that washington post is actually good news for romney in a sense he is winning the expectations game. people assume that obama will be better. so that may mean he doesn't have to do as well as all that to surprise people and say this guy is really up to the job. but the pressure is really on romney to change the direction of this race and to, you know, let people know it's not necessarily over. that can be done in various debates. but this first one is going to form the most impressions. >> john harwood says only twice have these televised debates seemed to shift the outcome of the race. in 2004 george w. bush went up against al gore. in gore's case, a strategist thought he lost that debate in the spin room. so i wonder, matt, how much of this is decided by what the candidates actually say? and how much by the pundits the day after? >> i give the american people some credit. i think they can listen and watch. and most evidence has shown that people start paying atten
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 11:00am EDT
events for mitt romney and the president. we're taking a peek right now. president obama will speak at this campaign event at george mason university there in fairfax, virginia. mitt romney is going to be in avingdon later as well. our power panel. america hiring now. what it means for the presidential race and what are the stakes for the big debate between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan? >>> and wooing the vets out there. why the president who killed bin laden is struggling with that voting bloc? i get the opportunity to talk with the man enlisted to get vets to switch sides, the vice president's son, beau biden. is 7.8% unemployment the real october surprise? we want to know what you think about that. tweet me or find me on facebook, thoma thomasarobertsmsnbc. and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events, more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ]
MSNBC
Oct 1, 2012 5:30am EDT
raising the stakes for the romney campaign ahead of wednesday's debate. right now expectations are with the president. 55% of likely voters expect him to win the debate. in preparation for the match-up, the president is hunkered down with his aides in nevada, romney spent the weekend practicing in boston. both sides looking to play the role of underdog in the debate, downplaying expectations and talking up the opponent, but not chris christie who spoke yesterday on "meet the press" about his confidence on the republican candidate. >> the general public i speak to in new jersey and elsewhere are just beginning to tune in to this race. they will tune in on wednesday night. when they do governor romney will lay out his vision for a better and greater america for greater opportunity for all of our citizens. i think that's when you will see this race start to tighten and then move in governor romney's direction. come thursday morning, the entire narrative of the race will change. >> congressman paul ryan was pressed to explain the republican approach to tax policy during an intervie
MSNBC
Oct 2, 2012 10:00am EDT
's consistently exceeded mitt romney at is likability. >> right. yet he does have -- it's partly it's proffesorial. when he looks like john kennedy he's on an upslope. he's not so good when he thinks he is way ahead and konts respect an opponent. i have a hunch he is hearing that from his folks in that room in nevada saying, you can't make a mistake like that. >> part of it is who you compare him to. he's aloof compared to bill clinton. bill clinton has a touch. >> everyone is aloof compared to bill clinton. >> exactly. >> let's talk about mitt romney. strengths, weakness. >> mitt romney's strength is that he is, comes across as competent, as a capable human being. as somebody who projects an air of authority, especially when he talks about the economy. that is the private sector track record. the flip side, the weakness is the 47%. some of the attacks he's taken in terms of that business record. i think mitt romney's biggest problem though, chris, is the sense people can't be sure exactly if he believes what he's saying. he needs to project authentic passion for what he believes his plan would do
MSNBC
Oct 2, 2012 3:00pm EDT
and mirrors. right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people just hope he remains upright. he's a big napper, john. big napper. mitt romney, 90 minutes awake and upright means big win for the camp. >> so jonathan, pugh had an interesting poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a surprise to all of us. look, i think that it -- it matters a little bit on the margins, working the reporters who then report to the public. by and large i think the public is pretty good at making its own judgments. i don't think people walk in going, well, my expectations is about a 4, so if he gets a 6, i'll vote for him. if he gets a 5, no way. i do
MSNBC
Sep 29, 2012 12:00pm EDT
anything for granted. >> karen is exactly right, alex. let me just say. this the romney team went for, what three weeks, 3 1/2 weeks, never got to talk about what they wanted to talk about. some of that was self-inflicted, some wasn't. but from the time the hurricane was they thought was aiming at tampa they went a long time before they could got about -- they got a chance to talk about the economy. i think karen is exactly right. coming out of the debate i think there has to be a renewed effort on the part of the romney campaign to no matter what other forces are going on to stick with the economy and see if they can sell that. >> is there any thought that the romney camp, rich, takes a look at all these numbers and says any way you look at this election it's going to be historic, you're either going to re-elect a president who has higher unemployment numbers than any elected president in his -- re-elected president in history. or you're going to have a guy who gets elected who has very low likability and favorability ratings. i mean, is there anything to that that they're just sayings to
MSNBC
Sep 30, 2012 10:00am EDT
moments to make the one-liners catch and stick. all of the substance will get lost in the minutia. romney needs one worse than the president right now. >> instead of o owe is it like trying to figure out what the zinger is going to be that will get retweeted on a hash tag? >> yes, that it is. >> it makes me so sad. >> well, yes. as you said, the stakes are higher for mitt romney. keep this mind, this is a man who has been running for president for six years. >> right. >> it's come down to this one moment, this first debate on wednesday where he's got to change the trajectory of his campaign, of the narrative with at that point, what is it 35 days in the race. >>> yeah. >> you're the political scientist here. you're the nerd here at the table. just to my mind, i do not see how practically speaking mitt romney can change the trajectory and move his campaign into a positive position with so little time. >> you're a big nerd too. >> i am a nerdlander. the other thing is in the wake of the 47% comment, we'll need to see a lot of compassion out of romney. we don't cowboy tactics, don't act like
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 12:00pm EDT
democrats. so i think it's fine. >> yeah. all right. well, curious, rich, do you think mitt romney is going to push these conspiracy theories or do you think it's too out there to touch? >> no. this is washington, d.c. we make $86,000 a year or whatever that number was. the last really good secret that has been kept in washington was the manhattan project. i mean, everybody from the lowliest intern on capitol hill to the secretary of state has got reporters on their speed dial on their cell phones. so for that to be the case you would have to have a conspiracy within the bls, bureau of labor staffs and hope that nobody talked. that's just not possible. >> according to the president's opponents, rich, when the job number is bad it's because he's a failure. when they're good it's because he's a fraud. i mean, how does this not make them look just petty? >> i don't know that everybody's saying that. two people they know of said it. look, i agree with karen. good news is good news. the way you deal with this is to turn it on its head. if the president had had a great debate performance and romn
MSNBC
Sep 30, 2012 12:00pm EDT
obama has momentum right now and everybody loves to have that, but mitt romney has the underdog advantage. if he could just come in and there seem to at least hold his own or -- come thursday, it's a new race, and it's possible for mitt romney, and if he gets stomped on by barack obama, many people will start saying this election is over, you'll see president obama's nine point poll advantage in ohio turn to something like 11 or 12, and without ohio, the republicans can't get the white house. >> doug brinkley, good to see you as always, doug. >>> "today's" show co-host, savannah guthrie shows us the one then she can't get a hold of. >>> the last of our top five trending stories, a fight as broken out. five million tourists visit the site every year ignoring the ban on flash photography and speaking very loudly. the manager of the vatican museum says limiting visitors is unthink essential. -- unthinkable. does your phone give you all day battery life ? droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does i
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 1:00am EDT
deals, he has universal health care. it's hard to imagine mitt romney standing up to the republicans in congress and demanding to do everything in a bipartisan way. >> right. >> so is that it? it's really just about who he's dealing with and what kind of deals are open there to be struck? >> i wouldn't -- i mean, the mitt romney we saw on wednesday is not the mitt romney we've been seeing on this campaign trail, at all. and you know, the idea that he is going to go to washington and reach across the aisle, there's a congress there that doesn't want to reach across the aisle. they want hip, if he gets elected, to do what they say. and on top of that, he didn't mention his name, but paul ryan would be his vice president. paul ryan is the one, i mean mitt romney says he has a 59-point plan, but paul ryan actually has a budget and it's a budget that goes far and away and is very specific in ways that romney has not been. if he's really this pragmatic guy, then he's going to be forced to do things that naturally he wouldn't want to do. >>> i have read that much. it's way more than 59 poin
MSNBC
Sep 30, 2012 2:00pm EDT
columns right now. the fact of the matter is that in the end, this is going to be about governor romney over the next four or five weeks. laying that vision out for folks. and you fknow, folks like us obsess about stuff like this the general public in new jersey and elsewhere are just beginning to tune into this race. they'll start tuning in on wednesday night. when they do, governor romney will lay out his vision for a better and greater america, for greater opportunity for all of our citizens. i think that's when you're going to see this race start to tighten and then move in governor romney's direction. >> up until now, governor, he has failed to enumerate any of the deductions he would eliminate in order to make the math work on his deficit plan. and his tax plan. are we going to get those details in the course of the debate? >> well, you know, david, i wish you guys were just as tough on the president. the president says he's going to create a million new manufacturing jobs. it doesn't say how. he says he's going to reduce the long-term debt and deficit by $4 trillion, it doesn't s
MSNBC
Sep 29, 2012 2:00pm EDT
romney's camp talking about the president's gifted oratorical skills. so they both can't be right, but i think both sides are relatively confident going into this. >> to hear both of them tell it, the other guy is the best debater since abe lincoln himself. mike viqueira, thank you so much. appreciate your time, sir. there are, of course, great expectations on both sides for next week's debate. the pressure is really on for mitt romney to knock it out of the park, as he entrance the debate, trailing in nine of the key battleground states that will most likely decide this thing. joining me now, anne kornblut, deputy national editor for "the washington post," and beth thoout of the associated press. thanks to both of you ladies for being with me on this saturday afternoon. anne, let me start with you. politico had a headline about 24 hours ago who had a lot of folks talking. here it is. "in the end, it's mitt." to quote part of the article, "it isn't the chair or the ho-hum convention or the leaked video or stuart stevens or the improving economy or media bias or distorted polls or the mes
MSNBC
Oct 2, 2012 5:00am EDT
now where president obama and rival mitt romney will not be campaigning today, opting instead to prep for the first of their three debates tomorrow night in denver. republicans are hoping it will be a game changer for their nominee. who right now trails the president in every battleground state. nbc's brian mooar joins us from washington with all the details. brian, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, lynn. for both campaigns, this first debate brings both challenge and opportunity. as denver gets ready for tomorrow night's first presidential debate, so are the candidates. >> it will be a conversation with the american people that will span almost an entire month. we'll get to describe our respective views. >> reporter: romney is hoping to pick up a few votes with an endorsement from football great john elway. president obama is taking the personal approach to nail down support. >> this is barack obama. >> reporter: and like romney, the president sees this debate as a chance to talk to america. >> it's a choice between two different paths for this country. it's a choice between t
MSNBC
Sep 29, 2012 3:00pm EDT
down to these debates and advertisements. governor romney came to the back of the plane yesterday. he told the reporters, look, they've got to convince people that their big ideas are the right big ideas. and that's not something you can do at a rally. no matter how big. they need the stage, they need to be up there, elevated, standing next to president obama to convince people to change their minds and give governor romney a second look. >> you mentioned the plane yesterday. i understand that the governor was also passing around a whole bunch of beef jerky. did you get some of the jerky, sir? did you get any of the beef jerky? >> i did get the beef jerky. if i've learned one thing, it's never pass up the opportunity to get something to eat. >> garrett hake, traveling with the romney campaign. as always, i appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >>> an unemployment rate above 8%. more than half the country saying that they're worse off today than they were four years ago, in a new cnbc poll, and a national deficit that will pass the $1 trillion mark tomorrow for the fiscal year for the
MSNBC
Sep 30, 2012 8:00am EDT
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Oct 4, 2012 5:00am EDT
romney that he's not putting forth the specifics of how he would do the various things he promised. it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a violent attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had an additional six months tacked on to the sentence. >>> the trend of criminal behavior continues in florida. a man with a machete came into the police station. officers used a taser and tackled him to the ground. >>> on a much lighter note, a washington redskins fanatic transformed his yard into this scene. he used his skills to decorate his lawn with the logo and colors. he spends hundreds of dollars on mulch each year to freshen up the display. that is commitment. for more, we turn to bill
MSNBC
Oct 3, 2012 5:30am EDT
to visit the hoover dam. why not while you're there. mitt romney was in colorado where he grabbed a burrito bowl at a local chipotle. he stopped to pose for pictures with this staff of the restaurant. love the guy on the right. amazing. presidential candidates spending most of their days in debate mode. it was up to the running mates to do the heavy lifting. joe biden was blasting the romney tax plan with being out of touch with the middle class. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, without the boos. stop all that malarkey. this is deadly ernest, man. this is deadly ernest. how they can justify -- how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. how in lord's name can they justify it? >> the romney campaign picked up on that middle class being buried for the last four years during which president obama was in the white house while campaigning in iowa. paul ryan did not miss the opportunity to seize on biden's choice of wo
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Oct 5, 2012 5:00am EDT
're going say something that doesn't come out right. in this case, i said something that's completely wrong. i absolutely believe, however, that my life has shown that i care about 100%. >> president obama campaigned in wisconsin, sharply criticizing romney's statements during the debate on tax cuts, education, and outsourcing as misleading to the middle class. the president had this to say about his opponent's plan for reducing the deficit. >> but i just want to make sure i got this straight. he'll get rid of regulations on wall street, but he's going to crack down on "sesame street." [ applause ] thank goodness somebody's finally cracking down on big bird. who knew that he was responsible for all these deficits. elmo's got to watch out. >> and vice president joe biden was campaigning in iowa saying that mitt romney flip-flopped on his own tax cut plan that was the center piece of the gop campaign and biden challenged the republicans on the tax issue. >> you know the phrase they always use, "obama and biden want to raise taxes by $1 trillion. guess what? yes, we do in one regard. we want t
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